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Mat Bowles ([personal profile] matgb) wrote2007-10-10 11:44 pm


Jennie and I are having our first argument. I think it's a northern thing, but we will solve it with skience:
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Because, seriously, although we're giggling, this is the first time we've seriously disagreed.
ETA: Despite quite blatantly losing this vote, she's now making excuses—the votes of Americans and Southerners don't, apparently, count. OK, currently still winnning anyway :-D
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[personal profile] hollymath 2007-10-10 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
seriously, although we're giggling, this is the first time we've seriously disagreed.

I'm pretty sure the first time Andrew and I seriously disagreed was about spelling (and then pronunciation).

[identity profile] 2007-10-10 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
You neglect to recall your liberal principles, darling. Just because a majority agree des not make them right. I will take you to the bakery tomorrow and see how far it gets you asking for a bloody cupcake.
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2007-10-10 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Depends on whether your definitions are descriptive or prescriptive...

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My "Something else" vote

[identity profile] 2007-10-10 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
To me, cupcakes and buns are generally interchangeable words. Sometimes bun tends to describe plain, un-iced varieties and cupcakes are decorated, but I use the word bun more often and I consider both buns and cupcakes to be cakes.

[identity profile] 2007-10-10 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm a Northerner- therefore my well-thought out reply counts?

[personal profile] rho 2007-10-10 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
To my mind, a bun is either an alternative word for a bap or barm, or is something along the lines of a hot cross bun. A cupcake, on the other hand, is more akin to a muffin. If I had to put my finger on the difference, I'd probably say something about the internal texture, and the shape of air bubbles, and what have you.

And I am, of course, a born and bred northerner, though I don't doubt she'll argue I'm from the wrong side of the Penines.

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[personal profile] innerbrat 2007-10-10 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)

But buns are made of bread, and cupcakes are made of cake.

...what is Jennie thinking of?

[identity profile] 2007-10-11 09:37 am (UTC)(link)
Buns are defined by size, not constituent parts. Buns are small baked things, whatever they are made of. You can get bread buns and cake buns but they are all buns.

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[identity profile] 2007-10-10 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Cupcakes are by definition cakes; but an eccles cake is a bun, and a teacake or a barm cake is neither.

[identity profile] 2007-10-10 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Oxford and other dictionaries define it as a small cake baked in a cup *shrug*

Although I guess it's my American perception that a "bun" would would be a different texture than a cake/cupcake - as in bread or pastry-like in texture and more often using yeast?
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[identity profile] 2007-10-10 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my. I voted "Other" because I reckoned the best way to do this is to say what I know of as a cupcake. And being a southerner married to an American... well.

A cupcake is a small cake/bun, usually quite light in texture, that is presented in a dainty little paper holder called a "cup".

Oh dear, but I've used both "cake" and "bun". Well, it's a cake because, well, it uses cake mixture. But it's a bun because it's bun-sized. But my Nan's buns never came in little paper holders. So they're not really buns. They're cakes. But they're bun-sized. And so goes the circle of semi-inebriated logic.

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[identity profile] 2007-10-10 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I always thought that a cupcake was American for fairy cake.

Nigella says they are cakes, as does Delia. I'm going with them for they know cake.

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[identity profile] 2007-10-11 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
I MEANT CAKE. sdfhsdf

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[identity profile] 2007-10-11 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
I hope you kept the receipt for that ring!

[identity profile] 2007-10-11 09:37 am (UTC)(link)
The one that *I* paid for? LOL

[identity profile] 2007-10-11 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
The only difference between a cup cake and a regular cake is the size. The photo posted above illustrates that. It is a cup cake.

A bun is more bread-like.

Matb -- those of us who have known jennie for many years know she will never admit a mistake tied to language. I've found the solution to be to nod and smile and say, "yes, of course you're right" and go on using the word correctly as before.

[identity profile] 2007-10-11 07:16 am (UTC)(link)
buns are indeed more bread based, contain yeast, and not usually baked in 'cups' or paper cases.
Cupcakes are, by definition, cakes. They're similar to muffins, but the mix used to make them. Muffins tend to use an oilier batter rather than basic self raising flour + sugar+ egg + butter mix.

[identity profile] 2007-10-11 07:42 am (UTC)(link)
A cup cake is American for fairy cake, as far as I'm concerned.


[identity profile] 2007-10-11 08:47 am (UTC)(link)
I'd have said it was a small cake in a paper cup. After all, the clue is in the name, isn't it?

However, I am far from being an expert on such matters so I'll acept that I could be talking out of my cake-hole!

Anyway, it's good that your first real argument is about something so crucially important to the future of your relationship! :P

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[identity profile] 2007-10-11 10:31 am (UTC)(link)
Cupcake! Cupcake!

[identity profile] 2007-10-11 11:10 am (UTC)(link)
who the fuck calls a cupcake a bun???
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2007-10-11 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
If it was 10" across then it would be clearly a cake.

A bun is a pastry item of some kind.

[identity profile] 2007-10-11 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I continue to be impressed at your belief that there is only one correct way to speak English and that it is whatever is spoken in Yorkshire.

Here is what the OED has to say about cupcake:


• noun a small iced cake baked in a cup-shaped foil or paper container."

When a usage is strictly one used in N. Amer, the OED cites it. In this instance, there is no such citation.

You may wish to believe I do not speak English simply because I wasn't born in Yorkshire, but I assure you I do.

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OK, but what does the OED have to say about "bun"? Because my argument is, was, and always has been, that a cupcake is a TYPE OF BUN and I see nothing there to contradict that.

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[identity profile] 2007-10-11 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Followed [ profile] eldar's link here.

While I have never heard a cupcake or small cake being called a bun it seems that there is a possibility you can call it a bun rather than a cake if you really want to - The Oxford University Press ( says so (Sweetened bread roll; correctly made with yeast dough, although sometimes applied to small cakes made with baking powder, or to cream buns, which are made with choux pastry. )

That's the trouble with language - so many people use different words to mean the same thing and the same words to mean different things!

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[identity profile] 2007-10-11 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
A cupcake is a cake. It is made from exactly the same batter you use to make cakes.

A bun is similar in shape, but is made from a different batter, and is less rich and less sweet. Ditto American muffins, which are baked in exactly the same tins as cupcakes, but are not the same thing at all.

Would you put icing/frosting on it? If you would, it's no bun, it's a cake.

Cupcakes came to be because of temperamental ovens. They were literally baked in cups, and baked more evenly than full sized cakes. Muffins and buns are quick breads.

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[identity profile] 2007-10-11 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
This is impressive. I've nothing new to say, I'm just trying to help push the comment count towards triple digits!

I'm with her on this..

[identity profile] 2007-10-14 01:35 pm (UTC)(link)
**Of course** Americans and Southerners don't count; they call Dinner 'lunch' and Tea 'dinner'. You just can't take that seriously. I mean, it's a mental handicap isn't it?

Meanwhile... - at least the quality of my gureilla-spam is interesting:-
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