See, I don't rate Flanagan at all, it's rare I find him that amusing and have been known to get bored and turn over if he's a guest on a show I usually watch.

Whereas I like her a lot and will actively tune in for stuff I don't normally watch, I've even subbed a R4extra podcast that she sometimes cohosts, not that I've actually been listening to podcasts recently, but, y'know, the thought was there.