The Political Compass has an analysis of the candidates in the US Primaries 2007:
Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel are depicted on the extreme left in an American context, they would simply be mainstream social democrats within the wider political landscape of Europe. Similarly, Hillary Clinton is popularly perceived as a leftist in the United States while in any other western democracy her record is that of a moderate conservative.
and plots the candidates like so on the graph:
Plot of positions of main candidate )
It's telling how close together they all are, and I concur completely with their analysis on it being linked to the electoral system. It also shows why I keep getting Kucinich on all those "who should you vote for" things that are kicking around.

Of course, the US media is even more biased than in the UK, and is almost completely beholden to corporate/advertiser interests; at least in the UK the press is following market positions at the same time as trying to affect that market (if anyone really thinks Murdoch backed Blair for political reasons then they really weren't paying attention). The result of this is that candidates coalesce around a media friendly center, but the media/mainstream is so far to the top/right that anyone else looks extreme. Ah well.

Land of the free, home of the brave. As long as the corporations are happy with you.
Chris Dillow responds to the question:
Iain Dale is inviting people to complete the sentence, "you know you're a Conservative when..."
OK. Here goes:
7 typical unthinking Tory positions )
The comments to both posts are comedy brilliance as well. Plus more than half at Iain's made me want to say "no doofus, that makes you a liberal" (note the lack of capitalisation there is deliberate, not all liberals are Liberals, and unfortunately a chunk of Liberals aren't liberal—there are also liberals within all the main British parties).

NB: Caveats about conservatism )

Hmm, I know, let's turn this into a little meme. Duncan informed me earlier that Facebook now has a Political Compass application[1]. My liking of the Compass as a good way of broadly assisting you place yourself and opinions remains strong, and the app is fairly good, so...

Either install the Facebook App [2]or complete the test on the main website, and post your results either in a post or in a comment here. It's been ages since we did this, lots of new friends and people may have clarified their opinions if they've done it before.

I'm now at:

Economic Left/Right: -2.50

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

Political Compass graph )
Which means I've moved (again) further down (I used to be at -5) and also closer to the center (I was at -5 there as well). So that's 4 times I've taken it (third on here), and each time I've moved further down and further to the middle. I remain convinced that it's because they're classifiying support for markets on the left/right spectrum when as they're strongly an aspect of econic activity, they should be on the up/down axis.

Alternatively, of course, we could try to answer Iain's questions: You know you're a conservative when.

Anyone else looking forward to there being an actual Tory policy on something? I dunno, thinking of running an anti Govt tactical voting campaign isn't made easier when it involves you persuading people to vote for Mr Cameron's Flip Flops...

Footnotes... )
Oh dear...
Which Hoff are you? ?!? )
Done mostly because people that read [ profile] tyrell may find it amusing. Yes, of course I rigged the result.

On to more sensible stuff. Redid the Political Compass today, it had been awhile. I've moved slightly to the centre economically, but further from the centre socially. I think the latter is me hardening my views through the debate I'm having online. The former is I suspect because the questions had a few more "market" questions and less "safety net" and "ownership" questions; market socialism messes up these tests, I had the same reaction to the OK Cupid thing as well. Anyway...

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.26

Why do we care? Well I did it early this afternoon. Later this afternoon, I saw the latest release for [ profile] blogthings. Now, do the Compass, then do the blogthing. Compass has been around fot years, do we see a rip-off? Yup, yes we do. Actionable? Not my problem, I merely observe.
Your Political Profile:
Overall: 30% Conservative, 70% Liberal
Social Issues: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal
Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
Fiscal Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal
Defense and Crime: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

Coding issues on these tests )
Well, I remembered why I switched from Mozilla to Firefox, and went and did an OK Cupid! test. The browse didn't crash. Shame I can't say the same about Thunderbird; I've found all the mail, and been told how to reboot it so it loads it back up, but it won't give me a profile with access to it. Gah!

Anyway, to topic. I took the OK Cupid politics test ) and found the results to be a little weird to say the least, although they didn't surprise me. Essentially, I'mstrong on social freedoms, but strong on social protection. The problem with these things is it judges a desire to give a safety net and an equal start to everyone as being economically controlling, and makes me non economically permissive.

Wrong! I'm a strong believer in the principles of a market economy, the Market is undoubtedly the most efficient means of distribution and exchange yet discovered, and it's pretty good with assessing the value of an individual product, as long as it is a functioning market.

The thing is, I don't believe in corporate ownership, and would rather shop in small, local businesses than chain stores whenver possible. But every tick in favour of controls on corporations makes me "less" in favour of economic freedoms. This isn't tied to online tests, it's endemic within commentary on economics. It's assumed you're either 'Left' or 'Right' economically, there doesn't seem to be any understanding of the difference between social justice, fair trade and a functioning market analysis.

Sorry, rant over, I return you to your regularly schedule of me bouncing all over the room and worrying about the phone bill.

From which uses pollig data from YouGov and compares your position to other respondents and YouGov's data. Looks pretty accurate from my perspective, I'd love to see how it comes out for others. My full results are:

I redid again.
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.26

And, again, I think it makes me slightly more extreme left/down than I should be, but not too far.

The top one is very good in my opinion. Go on. It's just another meme, right?
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