London's Burning: riots in Tottenham and Wood Green
2011-Aug-07, Sunday 06:20![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Overnight, the events in north London have, simply, been horrifying to watch. As news unfolded on Twitter I began switching from BBC to Sky and back again trying to see if anyone, at all, knew what was going on. News reports are concentrating, naturally, on the riots themselves and the shooting that's supposedly sparked them.
Earlier in the week, a fairly well known resident in his late 20s was shot by police, reportedly responding to shots fired at them. However...
From what I can gather from Twitter and other sources, there was a planned, peaceful, protest outside the police station about the shooting. Then this happened:
But if true? The initial spark for violence wasn't a man being shot. It was a 16 year old girl being beaten by the police in front of a crowd of demonstrators. Is it true? I have no idea.
I, broadly, agree with Steve:
If those tweets are for real? If the police genuinely did beat an unarmed, non-violent 16 year old girl who was shouting at them in front of a non-violent protest? That's horrifyingly wrong.
Reports of fires and looting in Wood Green as well as Tottenham are unconfirmed but sources are credible. A Home Office minister is the MP for Hornsey and Wood Green, she also happens to be one of the Lib Dem MPs I respect immensely.
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. The Metropolitan police is giving every indication of being completely out of control, not just for their close links to News of the World journalists.
Lynne? Not just for the sake of your constituents, but for the country, make sure the Met are sorted out and the investigation is full, thorough and open?
I hope those with friends, family, etc in the area are OK. I'm going to bed, insomnia can only keep me awake for so long.
ETA: Guardian NewsBlog has two different witness statements saying that a girl was attacked by police, one of which says she threw something at them first. But
(I've applied some formatting to the two copied tweets to attempt to make them look good, that CSS only exists currently on the Dreamwidth version of this post so might look awful on friends pages, reading pages or in feedreaders, do let me know if it messes things up particularly badly.)
Earlier in the week, a fairly well known resident in his late 20s was shot by police, reportedly responding to shots fired at them. However...
From what I can gather from Twitter and other sources, there was a planned, peaceful, protest outside the police station about the shooting. Then this happened:
These are, naturally, unconfirmed reports. ETA: both are based on seeing this BBC News witness broadcast but appear to have been corroborated. ETA2: 16 YEAROLD OLD GIRL ATTACKED BY TOTTENHAM RIOT POLICE! - YouTube You can make out the police beating someone on the ground, it's very grainy, but...
@andrewtindall Andrew Tindallprotester from original peaceful protest cites police attacking 16 year old woman as one of the sparks of tonight's riot. #tottenhamvia TweetDeck
@thespyglass Anna MachellResident to BBC: At station protest today a 16 yr old girl approached police asking questions, they "set upon her with batons". #tottenham
But if true? The initial spark for violence wasn't a man being shot. It was a 16 year old girl being beaten by the police in front of a crowd of demonstrators. Is it true? I have no idea.
I, broadly, agree with Steve:
In the UK,That's three choice extracts, I recommend reading the whole post.
a) having a gun and
b) firing it at CO19 (armed police)
are both very bad ideas. So is
c) sitting next to a person firing a gun at CO19, which is the other possibility.
...
We won't know the details for a while yet. There's an IPCC investigation... but the last few of those might have just as well had the word "whitewash" stamped on them in red ink.
...
I hope we find the truth about Tottenham's grievances and the police actions, but I'm not going to cheer on looters and bus-burners in the meantime. Not all action is heroic.
If those tweets are for real? If the police genuinely did beat an unarmed, non-violent 16 year old girl who was shouting at them in front of a non-violent protest? That's horrifyingly wrong.
Reports of fires and looting in Wood Green as well as Tottenham are unconfirmed but sources are credible. A Home Office minister is the MP for Hornsey and Wood Green, she also happens to be one of the Lib Dem MPs I respect immensely.
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. The Metropolitan police is giving every indication of being completely out of control, not just for their close links to News of the World journalists.
Lynne? Not just for the sake of your constituents, but for the country, make sure the Met are sorted out and the investigation is full, thorough and open?
I hope those with friends, family, etc in the area are OK. I'm going to bed, insomnia can only keep me awake for so long.
ETA: Guardian NewsBlog has two different witness statements saying that a girl was attacked by police, one of which says she threw something at them first. But
the girl was then "pounded by 15 riot shields". He said that the police "launched into her with startling force using both batons and shields. She went down on the floor but once she managed to get up she was hit again before being half-dragged away by her friend."One teenage girl throws something, she'sbeaten to the ground by 15 riot shields? FFS. Heavy handed tactics never work in a tinderbox, what are the Met on?
(I've applied some formatting to the two copied tweets to attempt to make them look good, that CSS only exists currently on the Dreamwidth version of this post so might look awful on friends pages, reading pages or in feedreaders, do let me know if it messes things up particularly badly.)
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 05:58 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 06:01 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 06:26 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 07:25 (UTC)No evidence of rioting here, although I was woken by the sound of several helicopters overhead - just as a reporter on 5live was saying there were no helicopters out. (Tottenham is about two miles away.)
I can't imagine rioting in this part of Wood Green, really - it is very residential (by which I mean middle aged and middle class, I guess).
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 09:55 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 10:12 (UTC)The choice of shops to loot seems like opportunistic consumerism rather than political revolt to me...
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 15:57 (UTC)[user name=DWUSERNAM]will display
But DWs done some clever stuff.
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Then
[user name=neilsonandrew site=twitter.com]'ll display
Which Ithink is pretty nifty.
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 18:13 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 07:52 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 08:57 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 09:34 (UTC)Looting, though, could really damage the neighbourhood economy: those shops are employers. I can understand people's anger at the police, local politicians and government. But attacking local businesses is a pretty stupid way of expressing it.
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 09:37 (UTC)Anyone seen or heard anything from Lynne Featherstone?
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 09:43 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 09:45 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 16:05 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 18:16 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 08:54 (UTC)This is two miles east of where I live. What *isn't* being reported right now, is that the rioting spread west to Wood Green where the shopping centre and the high st have been systematically looted. I'll post when I know more.
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 16:07 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 22:28 (UTC)If the Met hasn't got the resources to control a flare up in a small area, it really wouldn't help to cover this too closely, as the looters are taking advantage of overstretch already.
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 09:38 (UTC)23.52 Riots in our hood... Buses, cars, shops on fire
01.06 Just got home, laid on the floor of a bus, we were the only people on there, past the riots
01.14 My estate is desolate as they are all probs at the riots. They are starting to move peeps this way now though
01.38 NO! Don't push the crowds further North... Our estate is there!
02.33 Right, with helicopters as a lullaby, we'll try to sleep. Fuck you Tottenham
09.13 Cannot get out of our estate in Tottenham... Place is under lockdown...
I've been dropping an ear on LBC's Andrew Pearce, who has spent the first half-hour since 10am talking to the police. As though they're some sort of impartial witness. As though they're some sort of witness at all. Only now is he talking to someone who actually lives there.
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 16:08 (UTC)I've updated posts with extra links, looks like attack on girl is confirmed, details vague.
Tottenham riots
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 17:03 (UTC)Re: Tottenham riots
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 17:25 (UTC)http://bit.ly/qSOcza
And thanks for commenting, the whole things horrifying.
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 17:36 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 17:07 (UTC)It is true, a young lass did get set on by a dozen or so police officers.
Absolutely disgraceful, I'm surprised there wasn't even more damage. Since when did policemen deciede justice is served with a beating.
Justice should be civilised.
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 17:26 (UTC)Exactly, that that is the complete opposite of civilised. Thank you for posting this, it barely had any views and while very grainy you can definitely make out the police being far from civilised.
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 18:30 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 17:38 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 17:42 (UTC)I obviously don't know what to believe, but even if the above vid isn't the actual spark, they've got someoen surrouned on the ground and are beating the crap out of them, even if that's not the start of actual violence, it's clearly out of order and when it got out would've made things a lot worse.
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 06:07 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 06:28 (UTC)Plus, at the moment, no one really knows what's happened, and at several points the BBC and Sky crews were pulled away, some press photgraphers had their equipment stolen and similar.
Hard to report something when you can't get to the scene, etc.
But yeah, I'd expect to see more, that's partially why I've written it in the way I have, if no bugger else is reporting it, I will, think I'm still aggregated to some news sites.
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 09:34 (UTC)If the 16-year-old girl story is true, then I change my mind about 90% of my post immediately :)
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 16:32 (UTC)One thrown stone and some shouting means being beaten to the ground by 15 armoured men with riot shields. FFS.
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Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 08:51 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 13:53 (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 16:34 (UTC)Woodgreen looting 1 - YouTube
Welcome to England, even the looters form queues...
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Date: 2011-Aug-08, Monday 08:27 (UTC)It's actually been blissfully quiet here in South Tottenham. I'd say even more so than usual! Probably because we don't have any shops...
Tottenham Riots
Date: 2011-Aug-07, Sunday 12:49 (UTC)