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So, I should celebrate Christmas because it's a Christian festival (wrong) and because Britain is a Christian country? ORLY?
Britain's generally tolerant attitude to religion is underlined by the small proportion who say the country is best described as a Christian one. Only 17% think this. The clear majority, 62%, agree Britain is better described as "a religious country of many faiths".
In fact, following on from earlier discussion, it would appear that I'm in the clear majority:
Most people have no personal faith, the poll shows, with only 33% of those questioned describing themselves as "a religious person". A clear majority, 63%, say that they are not religious - including more than half of those who describe themselves as Christian.
Regarding those who describe themselves as "Christian" but don't believe? Charlie puts it best:
this is more of an ethnic or cultural definition than a spiritual one
So, it's December 23rd, I'm up and about, had a shower and a bit to eat. I'm off to celebrate the True Meaning of Christmas. Shopping. With my family.

So, from the bottom of my heart, this little atheist would like to take this opportunity to wish you all a very genuine Merry Christmas, because the whole thing has nothing to do with that little kid who might have been born about 2000 years ago, during lambing season, at the time of a census. Both of which took place in March.

Date: 2006-12-23 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freddiefraggles.livejournal.com
Ho Ho Ho! Merry Christmas!

Date: 2007-03-24 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-s-b.livejournal.com
I don't know, *is* it possible to have fun oop north?



(well, apart from the whining about Ian)

Date: 2007-03-24 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-s-b.livejournal.com
Get out of my head you!

Only if you'll get out of mine, which you seem to be resolutely refusing to do... ;)

And yes, I've noticed that Miss Freddie seems to be much less cheerful than usual the last couple of days :( Wonder if there's anything I can do about that...

* plots *

Date: 2006-12-23 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doccy.livejournal.com
Bah! You Atheists! Making us Agnostics have to think about religion, rather than just thinking 'Well, there may or may not be a God... But from my life point of view, does it matter? And even if there is a God, do I have to follow some religion to believe in him/her/them/it?'

Merry Christmas matey :) Looking forward to celebrating the True Meaning Of Christmas meself, having a good meal with friends and/or family :)
fearmeforiampink: (Shooty Dog thing)

Date: 2006-12-24 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fearmeforiampink
I think the difference is that only a relatively small number of people have true 'faith' in atheism. Many people, yourself and myself included, are agnostics who's general guess at what's true is no gods, but who accept that there might well be more in heaven and earth that is dreamt of in their philosophy, Horatio.

I tend to mentally divide it into atheists and Atheists ('god(s) don't/probably don't exist', and 'it is impossible that god(s) exist' respectively), and agnostics and Agnostics ('I don't know if god(s) exist' and 'It is impossible for anyone to know if gods exist')

Under that description, you're probably a little 'a' version of atheist.
fearmeforiampink: (Beatles)

Date: 2006-12-26 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fearmeforiampink
The 'shooty dog thing' text is from the Doctor Who episode with K9.

The rest is a quote from the song - it's similar to the whole 'chicken soup for the soul', 'it takes X muscles to frown, <X muscles to smile' suchlike. I can't remember who it's by - it's frequently misattributed to Mark Twain, but it's far more recent than that. I actually emailed the BBC quoting related radio show about it, if you want I can check what they told me when I get back to Exeter. The putting the two together was just a result of me having the random idea to do so, as it seemed to scan reasonably well. The pictures are from randon places around the interweb.
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Date: 2006-12-23 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] el-staplador.livejournal.com
Er... enjoy yourself! (I don't think you'd like what I mean by 'Happy Christmas', so I won't wish it you.)
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Date: 2006-12-23 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] el-staplador.livejournal.com
Peace and goodwill sounds good. You may certainly have some of that. :-)

Date: 2006-12-23 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caramel-betty.livejournal.com
this is more of an ethnic or cultural definition than a spiritual one

My parents (mum and step-dad) are like this. They have zero time for religion at all, but will bizarrely often tick "CofE" on any forms that care about such things. I've no idea why.

Date: 2006-12-23 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doccy.livejournal.com
Heh, my parents brought me and my siblings up as CofE... Then, when we were old enough to actually choose (or not choose) religion for ourselves, they practically stopped. My dad's actually stopped, while my mum keeps up with it... mainly because she enjoys singing :D
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Date: 2006-12-23 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] el-staplador.livejournal.com
mainly because she enjoys singing

I suspect that this is one of the main reasons why my family has never defected to the Religious Society of Friends, who don't sing, but with whom we would otherwise have a great affinity. Besides, we're quite fond of the Church of England, in our own way...

Date: 2006-12-23 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] susannah-banana.livejournal.com
Double dare you to come round and have this discussion with my mum! It might distract Katharine for a few minutes:)

seriously though, if you fancy a xmas eve drink, give us a shout.

Date: 2006-12-24 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] susannah-banana.livejournal.com
Don't go to any special effort!:0) we'll be here and we have made the house look all festive. it's much cheerier now bruv has arrived.

Date: 2006-12-24 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matryx.livejournal.com
Season's Greetings to you as well :)
I hope you have a relaxing break with your family and a pleasant start to the new year!

Date: 2006-12-25 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Can't wait :)

Date: 2006-12-25 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matryx.livejournal.com
er, that was me of course. Stupid LJ logged me out for some reason
matgb: Artwork of 19th century upper class anarchist, text: MatGB (Default)

British Liberal, house husband, school play leader and stepdad. Campaigner, atheistic feminist, amateur baker. Male.

Known to post items of interest on occasions. More likely to link to interesting stuff. Sometimes talks about stuff he's done. Occasionally posts recipes for good food. Planning to get married, at some point. Enjoying life in Yorkshire.

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