In actual terms, someone earning about £25K today is close to the average, and probably struggling to get by. But a hundred years ago, that would've been a very comfortable living. Two hundred years ago, that would've put you in the very wealthiest sector of society, with servants to do your bidding and every need catered for.

Triple that today, you're looking at a good earning for a member of the professions: a doctor, a lawyer, an MP. A hundred years ago, it'd give youa millionaires lifestyle. Two hundred years ago, a billionaires lifestyle. So I thought I'd do a poll...

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Poll #5213 The days of yore
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You have a fixed income of £75,000 per year, when would you rather live

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2010s
19 (86.4%)

1960s
3 (13.6%)

1910s
0 (0.0%)

1860s
0 (0.0%)

1810s
0 (0.0%)

You have a fixed income of £75,000 per year, when would you happily live

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1960s
22 (100.0%)

1910s
12 (54.5%)

1860s
9 (40.9%)

1810s
8 (36.4%)

You are male and have a fixed income of £27,612 per year, when would you rather live

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2010s
10 (47.6%)

1960s
7 (33.3%)

1910s
1 (4.8%)

1860s
2 (9.5%)

1810s
1 (4.8%)

You are male and have a fixed income of £27,612 per year, when would you happily live

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1960s
20 (95.2%)

1910s
13 (61.9%)

1860s
10 (47.6%)

1810s
8 (38.1%)

You are female and have a fixed income of £22,152 per year, when would you rather live

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2010s
14 (73.7%)

1960s
5 (26.3%)

1910s
0 (0.0%)

1860s
0 (0.0%)

1810s
0 (0.0%)

You are female and have a fixed income of £22,152 per year, when would you happily live

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1960s
15 (93.8%)

1910s
4 (25.0%)

1860s
4 (25.0%)

1810s
3 (18.8%)


My answers to the above poll, with some explanations )
The ever excellent [livejournal.com profile] chris_dillow_fd has an excellent summary of the banks reaction to Northern Rock at Stumbling and Mumbling, and naturally I concur completely:
This episode shows that many bosses don't really believe in free markets. Instead, they are like the slaggiest single parent. They pretend to be victims, and expect the state to save people from the consequences of their own stupidity and promiscuity. Indeed, they are worse
A large number of capitalist managers and owners pay lip service to markets, but when it comes down to it would rather not worry about that dangerous 'competition' stuff.

Which is why calling markets 'right wing' is both blinkered and stupid--markets are a tool, a means to an end, and are neutral on left/right alignment. But they are a fundamental tenet of a modern free society.
Chris Dillow responds to the question:
Iain Dale is inviting people to complete the sentence, "you know you're a Conservative when..."
OK. Here goes:
7 typical unthinking Tory positions )
The comments to both posts are comedy brilliance as well. Plus more than half at Iain's made me want to say "no doofus, that makes you a liberal" (note the lack of capitalisation there is deliberate, not all liberals are Liberals, and unfortunately a chunk of Liberals aren't liberal—there are also liberals within all the main British parties).

NB: Caveats about conservatism )

Hmm, I know, let's turn this into a little meme. Duncan informed me earlier that Facebook now has a Political Compass application[1]. My liking of the Compass as a good way of broadly assisting you place yourself and opinions remains strong, and the app is fairly good, so...

Either install the Facebook App [2]or complete the test on the main website, and post your results either in a post or in a comment here. It's been ages since we did this, lots of new friends and people may have clarified their opinions if they've done it before.

I'm now at:

Economic Left/Right: -2.50

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

Political Compass graph )
Which means I've moved (again) further down (I used to be at -5) and also closer to the center (I was at -5 there as well). So that's 4 times I've taken it (third on here), and each time I've moved further down and further to the middle. I remain convinced that it's because they're classifiying support for markets on the left/right spectrum when as they're strongly an aspect of econic activity, they should be on the up/down axis.

Alternatively, of course, we could try to answer Iain's questions: You know you're a conservative when.

Anyone else looking forward to there being an actual Tory policy on something? I dunno, thinking of running an anti Govt tactical voting campaign isn't made easier when it involves you persuading people to vote for Mr Cameron's Flip Flops...

Footnotes... )
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